A scarcity mindset is seen in people who become concerned that there will never be enough, enough professional recognition, job security, money, love, food, or gas, for example. This causes negative and immature actions and reactions such as needless competitions, unrealistic expectations, jealousy, and strife. General unhappiness and loneliness occur as a result of trust and self-worth issues. Is there a solution? How can we learn to master an abundance mindset instead to set us up for success and happiness? Arlene talks with Catherine Duffy to define a scarcity mindset, determine which environments and circumstances encourage its growth and finally, relate how to get rid of a scarcity mindset and shift into an abundance mindset. Recognizing that there is no happiness in insecurity and scarcity is a matter of intention and attention.
“Share as much as you can and life will give you back as much as you give it.” -Catherine Duffy
Highlights:
00:30 Scarcity Mindset in Abundance
04:40 Shift From the Scarcity Mindset
07:11 Scarcity vs Abundance
12:19 Environments Where Scarcity Mindset Thrives
16:26 Scarcity Mindset and Comparing Yourself to Others
18:27 How to Get Rid of Scarcity Mindset
25:22 “Busy” IS an Excuse
27:20 There’s Abundance in Giving
Resources:
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7 Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen R. Covey
Quotes:
05:00 “The more I have grown in leadership, the more I realized that I am responsible for the energy that I bring. I have to check myself to make sure the energy that I’m bringing empowers people rather than puts fear in them. ” -Catherine Duffy
06:16 “Information doesn’t register with us until we’re ready to hear it.” -Catherine Duffy
06:56 “There is enough for everybody. You don’t have to trample anyone. You don’t have to hold anybody back. You don’t have to compare yourself to anyone. It’s all about you as an individual.” -Catherine Duffy
07:40 “Why are we just looking at splitting up one pie? There are many different pies that we can bake, and share. So why limit ourselves to one pie? -Catherine Duffy
08:41 “People get themselves bogged down too much in where they are. It almost becomes an excuse not to challenge themselves to grow and that’s where that scarcity mentality really takes over.” -Catherine Duffy
09:57 “A scarcity mindset gives a false sense of security. It makes us believe we’re safe. But how can we be safe if we’re not happy?” -Catherine Duffy
14:26 “It’s amazing how we can make a difference in people’s lives when we shift from the scarcity mindset to an abundance mindset because we can see possibilities all of a sudden.” -Catherine Duffy
16:34 “When we’re constantly comparing ourselves to others, we usually are comparing ourselves to someone who we believe has more than we do, when what we should be doing is focusing on what our strengths are and how we can become better ourselves. “ -Catherine Duffy
18:02 “That’s all the scarcity mentality is- it’s external. It does not have anything to do with you empowering yourself.” -Catherine Duffy
20:28 “When you set positive intentions, it doesn’t mean that you’re not going to have negative issues that confront you. Those negative issues that confront you are there to help you grow.” -Catherine Duffy
20:50 “Share your successes. Share the knowledge you gained with other people. Because when you do that, you spread the light and then they spread it.” -Catherine Duffy
21:49 “Growing up, becoming successful is a give and take. And if it isn’t a give and take then, somebody’s not doing something right.” -Arlene Gale
22:07 “Until someone’s ready, there’s nothing you can do about that. But what you need to do is not take that on because it’s really none of your business.”-Catherine Duffy
26:16 “Prioritize and choose what it is that will move you in a direction that you want to go.” -Arlene Gale
27:20 “Share as much as you can and life will give you back as much as you give it.” -Catherine Duffy
Meet Catherine:
Catherine Duffy works as a Country Manager in Bermuda for a major global corporation. Her role includes leading local operations and driving the achievement of strategic objectives for the corporation. Catherine also coordinates all of North America Product Leaders to provide directions to locals teams for this global corporation. She is a civic and community leader, serving as the only female Commissioner of the SAGE Commission and other service roles. Catherine has built an exceptional profile over the years and recently, she was chosen to be a Fellow in the Women’s International Forum.
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Transcription:
Arlene Gale: Welcome everybody. Today, we’re talking about the myths and mindsets relating to having a scarcity mindset. A scarcity mindset, it’s kind of hard for me to wrap my mind around, but I think a simple explanation is, it’s the belief that there will never be enough, either enough in general or enough for me. There’s never going to be enough money, there’s never going to be enough time, there’s never going to be enough food, or water, or I’m never going to have a bigger house, I’m never going to get that promotion, it’s all that negative energy that comes together to lead to this scarcity mindset, but where does the scarcity mindset come from? Is it a lack of confidence? Lack of self worth? Is it fear? Is it something that comes from our past? Or is it even something different than that? I don’t know, but I have a guest that’s going to help us find those answers. But before we get to her, I had an experience once where people went a little bit crazy because we were having some horrible weather forecast. There were tornadoes and hurricanes, and this was projected to happen in Houston. I’m in North Texas and Houston is in South Texas. So everybody was running around going, Oh, my gosh, it’s going to kill the refineries. It’s going to put them out of business. And there was all this Henny Penny, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, stuff happening. And as a result, everybody was going to the grocery stores and fighting over water, and fighting over food, canned goods. And there were lines that were 10, 20, 15 cars long at the gas stations. Not because there was any scarcity, but because people were worried that it was going to become scarce. So it was that scarcity mindset that propelled people into action, and it really impacted the way people treated each other and behaved. And it was really actually kind of scary. I never really thought about it before until I heard my guest today speak. She spoke at a conference on the scarcity mindset, and it really made me stop to think because like I said, I experienced this event, but I didn’t know what to call it. And the more she spoke, the more I realized that was what was driving these people. This is what was driving the mindset that made people just go bonkers. I mean, I don’t know if that’s a good professional word, but that’s my word. But I’m especially interested in her experience in the scarcity mindset, and how it impacts people, and how we treat each other. And how on earth did she get involved in trying to figure out what this is and how it impacts us. But she also left us with a very positive attitude about trying to work and thrive together, and move together with a mindset of abundance instead.
And so with that, I want to introduce my guests, Catherine Duffy. Catherine Duffy works with a major global corporation. She is the Country Manager in Bermuda. She leads local operations, including a cross functional team and drives the achievement of strategic objectives for the corporation. Cathy also coordinates all of North America product leaders to provide direction to local underwriting teams for this global corporation. Cathy is a civic and community leader, including serving as the only female commissioner of the SAGE Commission, Bermuda Public Service Commissioner and other service roles. Cathy earned a Bachelor’s Degree in Business Administration in Insurance from Howard University. She has completed executive management programs including Howard, instead MIT and Wharton. And recently Cathy was chosen to be a Fellow in the Women’s International Forum. So welcome Cathy, it’s so good to have you here as my special guest.
Catherine Duffy: Thank you. And I’m so pleased to be here, Arlene.
Arlene Gale: Let’s jump right in. What motivated you to start studying or looking for this scarcity mindset?
Catherine Duffy: Well, I’ve been on a journey for quite some time in my life trying to figure out how it is that I can be a better person for myself, which in turn allows me to be a better person for those who come into my circle. And the more I have grown in leadership, the more I realize that I’m responsible for the energy that I bring, and I have to check myself to make sure that the entity that I’m bringing empowers people rather than puts fear in them. And as a result of that, you do a lot of self reflection, and a lot of, okay, why do people react in the way that they do? Why have I reacted in the ways that I have done? And a few years back, actually 20 years ago now, and my son was born and I left the industry to take care of my son, I did a lot of self reflecting, and then trying to come back into the industry when I found it very difficult to get in and having to take a step backwards in order to progress in my career, I studied many different philosophies. And one of the philosophies I came across with was this scarcity mentality that Stephen Covey first talked about in The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, he’s the author of that, now he passed away, and then I sort of heard it then. But you know, in life things don’t really register until you’re ready to hear them.
“The more I have grown in leadership, the more I realized that I am responsible for the energy that I bring. I have to check myself to make sure the energy that I’m bringing empowers people rather than puts fear in them. ” -Catherine Duffy Click To Tweet “Information doesn’t register with us until we’re ready to hear it.” -Catherine Duffy Click To TweetArlene Gale: Absolutely.
Catherine Duffy: And then Oprah started talking about it, and Deepak Trooper, and it started to become almost like a drum beat. And I realize that I was not thinking that I was worthy for certain positions, or I wasn’t ready, or wasn’t good enough to be there. And I realized I had to shift because that’s that whole scarcity mentality, right? Where you think that it’s not enough for everybody. And I started adopting an abundance mentality, which means that there’s enough for everybody and you don’t have to trample anyone. You don’t have to hold anybody back. You don’t have to compare yourself to anyone. It’s all about you as an individual. And once I started doing that, my life just shifted, completely changed.
“There is enough for everybody. You don’t have to trample anyone. You don’t have to hold anybody back. You don’t have to compare yourself to anyone. It’s all about you as an individual.” -Catherine Duffy Click To TweetArlene Gale: Okay. So I’ve got this image in my mind and helped me fit this scarcity versus abundance into, you know, we have one 8″ pie, you know, and it can only be cut into so many pieces. And so, if you cut this pie into eight pieces and you’re the ninth person in line for pie, you’re not getting any. So how do we go from that kind of scarcity imagery to an abundance of imagery?
Catherine Duffy: Why are we just looking at one pie?
Arlene Gale: Okay. So, so paint that picture for me then.
Catherine Duffy: Because there are many different ways that you can paint a picture, and there are many different pies that you can bake. So why limit yourself to one pie?
“Why are we just looking at splitting up one pie? There are many different pies that we can bake, and share. So why limit ourselves to one pie? -Catherine Duffy Click To TweetArlene Gale: So with that analogy then, can you give us an example in a workplace about, how do we practice from a place of abundance with multiple pies?
Catherine Duffy: Because there are so many different ways that you can grow in a job. There are so many different opportunities that you can create. There are so many different roles that you can move yourself into. And also, if you’re in an organization where you see that there isn’t possibility or growth for you within that organization, there are plenty other organizations that can offer you that possibility and opportunity. I think what happens is people get themselves bogged down so much in where they are, and thinking that I’ve been here for such a long time, I’m not growing, I’m not doing anything, there’s no way up, and it almost become an excuse for them not to challenge themselves to grow. And that’s where that scarcity mentality really takes over because you start telling yourself that this is all there is for me, I can’t progress any further. But if you shift that to say, I’m worthy of this, there is more to life than this, I need to find more for myself. And once you do that, the world starts opening for you. So it just depends on how you look at it.
“People get themselves bogged down too much in where they are. It almost becomes an excuse not to challenge themselves to grow and that’s where that scarcity mentality really takes over.” -Catherine Duffy Click To TweetArlene Gale: Well, I guess is it a matter of choice too because if you’re in a place where you’re unhappy and you’re not getting what you really want, but you feel safe there, I mean, is that what you’re saying? So you don’t really want to take the risk, but it really is ultimately your choice, right?
Catherine Duffy: Yes. And that, like what you just talked about, where you feel safe there. That is one of the greatest excuses for scarcity because it gives you a false sense of security, it makes you believe you’re safe, but how can you be safe if you’re not happy?
“A scarcity mindset gives a false sense of security. It makes us believe we’re safe. But how can we be safe if we’re not happy?” -Catherine Duffy Click To TweetArlene Gale: Hmm. That’s a good question.
Catherine Duffy: Like happiness comes from you from where you are as an individual. You create your happiness, not anyone else. And if how could safety and unhappiness be the same thing? It’s not, it’s an excuse. It’s an excuse.
Arlene Gale: Or like I tell my children sometimes it’s like, okay, if that’s the lie you want to tell yourself and that makes you happy, then by all means, go with it.
Catherine Duffy: Absolutely. And you know, a lot of it does come from generations as well. Like if you grew up in a family where, like my mother-in-law, she says something all the time, she’s 92 years old, and she is an amazing woman, grew up in the era of the war, second world war. So you know, for them, it was scarcity. She says that she would hate to grow up in my era and even more so for the next generation because she says that we have far too many choices. She said in her time, they had to just do what they had to do. So even if they were unhappy, they chose that safe area because in their minds, they had no other options, right? But with each generation, the choices become more and more. For people like her, the abundance mentality somewhat scares her because she wants to be safe in knowing that her choices are limited. So you know with each, and then if you grew up in a household where you have a parent like that, and not to knock my mother-in-law because she was just doing what had to do, you can grow up without even realizing it suffering from a scarcity mentality because you’re told to make do with what you’ve got.
Arlene Gale: Every generation changes.
Catherine Duffy: Yes, yes. And each generation, you get more and more choices as to what where you can go with your life versus being told this is all you can do.
Arlene Gale: Right. Interesting. So generations is one place that scarcity mindset can come from. Can you give us an example of maybe other places that a scarcity mindset would inundate us and keep us from making choices to be happy?
Catherine Duffy: Oh, yeah. Minorities, people that come from a poor background, people that have not been exposed that much, there are so many different areas that it can come from. And again, it does come from parents who say things to children and either the child goes to the scarcity side or says, I’m going to break out of this and I’m going to make some other choices. So scarcity, a lot of people who have had to overcome a lot of obstacles at first believe that that’s where they’re meant to be and they don’t tend to see the broader picture and the bigger landscape that is out there for them.
Arlene Gale: Okay. Well, I mean that makes a lot of sense because Maya Angelou said that, ‘Once you know better, you do better.’
Catherine Duffy: You do better.
Arlene Gale: Yeah. So if you don’t know what the possibilities are, it takes a lot of energy to go out and figure out what you can do that’s different. And that is that shift mindset.
Catherine Duffy: Yeah. Yeah. And also for people like that, unfortunately, they’re surrounded by a lot of people that think exactly like them. They don’t tend to get exposed to people who have actually made it. And then you see some people from those areas that make it, and then there’s a lot of jealousy because that person has made it and they’re considered to be lucky, or they’re considered to be a trader to the neighborhood, or all those sorts of things. So it takes a really strong person to get out. But then when that person does get out, and if they can go back and show the possibility to the people that are stuck in those areas, it’s actually amazing how you can make such a difference in people’s lives when you shift from that scarcity because they just see possibility all of a sudden.
Arlene Gale: Absolutely. It’s like cleaning the lenses in their glasses.
Catherine Duffy: Yes.
Arlene Gale: And that’s why I think it’s so important for people who have been through, I guess sheltered situations, or limited by culture, or color, or whatever else. And then have moved forward and struggled, beat their head against those walls and those glass ceilings, and have risen above that to go out and mentor, and be the person that holds that door open and exposes the people that come behind us to a world of possibilities. Any comment about that?
Catherine Duffy: No, I totally agree with that. I totally agree with that.
Arlene Gale: Well, that’s awesome. Well, we’re going to take a quick break and return with my guest Catherine Duffy, and I want to ask you, Catherine when we come back, how does making comparisons with other people impact the scarcity mindset, and then maybe ask you to, if you have any ideas of some ways we can turn a scarcity language or things that we tell ourselves into a more abundance language, things that we can tell ourselves. So listeners, we will be right back with my guest, Catherine Duffy in just a moment.
So welcome back everybody. This is Arlene Gale with Mindset Meets Mastery. And my guest today is Catherine Duffy. And we are talking about the difference between a scarcity mindset and an abundance mindset. And so, I want to start with this Cathy. How does the scarcity mindset play out in our lives when we’re constantly comparing ourselves with coworkers, or friends, or neighbors?
“It’s amazing how we can make a difference in people’s lives when we shift from the scarcity mindset to an abundance mindset because we can see possibilities all of a sudden.” -Catherine Duffy Click To TweetCatherine Duffy: Because when we’re constantly comparing ourselves with neighbors, or coworkers, or anyone else, we usually are comparing ourselves to someone who we believe has more than we do. And as a result of that, that creates jealousy, it creates negative feelings, we may try to keep up with them, or try to become them and that’s not really us when what we should be doing is focusing on what our strengths are and how we can become better people. Because you never know what’s going on in other people’s lives.
“When we’re constantly comparing ourselves to others, we usually are comparing ourselves to someone who we believe has more than we do, when what we should be doing is focusing on what our strengths are and how we can become better ourselves. “… Click To TweetArlene Gale: Right.
Catherine Duffy: I had a conversation with a young lady yesterday, and a young man actually, and for a lot of the young people that are probably in their teens and early 20’s, they’re suffering from a lot of depression right now. And a lot of it is because of social media. They look on there and they see other people with these perfect lives and their lives don’t look as good as the people on social media. And what social media actually is doing is creating a scarcity mentality in a perverse kind of way because people look at them and think, well, why are they alive so wonderful? My life is so bad. Rather than them focusing on what it is that they can do to make themselves better.
Arlene Gale: So the focus is more external instead of internal.
Catherine Duffy: Absolutely. And that’s all this scarcity mentality is, it’s external. It does not have anything to do with you empower yourself.
Arlene Gale: And by empowering ourselves, can you give some examples of ways that, the things that come to mind for me are like education, but what are some other ways that you might suggest that someone can focus on internally and empowering themselves?
“That’s all the scarcity mentality is- it’s external. It does not have anything to do with you empowering yourself.” -Catherine Duffy Click To TweetCatherine Duffy: Well, I actually write a gratitude journal every single day, and before I go to bed at night, I write all the things that I’m grateful for, and I’ve done it now for probably about 25 years. And a simple thing like that makes you realize even on your worst day, that there’s something that you have to be grateful for. So they’re just shifting from focusing on all that’s negative to whatever is positive. It has a tremendous impact on how you feel about yourself and other people. Also try not to focus on saying what you don’t have focus on what you do have, and make sure that you surround yourself with people that are positive, people that encourage you to be a better person versus those people who encourage you to stay in a very negative place.
Arlene Gale: Absolutely. Because if you’re hanging out with a bunch of negative people and you’re trying to move and improve yourself, and make better choices, you end up exhausted all the time because you’re pulling dead weight.
Catherine Duffy: Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And it’s just as simple as, there’s a saying that says: “The people that you spend the most time with will help to determine who you are as a person.” So just think about that, right? Think about who you spend your time with. Also, give yourself some time to be in stillness so you can hear what’s going on in yourself. I meditate twice a day, first thing in the morning, I don’t turn on any sort of social media or anything. As soon as I get out of bed, I meditate. And then just after I write my grateful journal at night, then I meditate at night. Set in positive intentions for yourself during the day. And when you set positive intentions, it doesn’t mean that you’re not going to have negative issues that confront you. Those negative issues that confront you are there to help you to grow. Look at things from a growth mindset. Why is this happening to me? Shift that to why is this happening for me? And how I grow with that? And also share your successes. Share the knowledge you gain with other people because when you do that, you spread the light, and then they spread it. It’s the opposite effect of, when in the olden days, people thought that if they had something good or they discovered something that was helpful to them, they want it to keep it to themselves because they will worry that somebody else would take that from them. It doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter. That’s what life is all about. And you talked about Maya Angelou before, she also has something that said, ‘When you learn, you teach. When you teach, you learn.’
“When you set positive intentions, it doesn’t mean that you’re not going to have negative issues that confront you. Those negative issues that confront you are there to help you grow.” -Catherine Duffy Click To Tweet “Share your successes. Share the knowledge you gained with other people. Because when you do that, you spread the light and then they spread it.” -Catherine Duffy Click To TweetArlene Gale: Absolutely.
Catherine Duffy: That’s what it’s all about, you know?
Arlene Gale: Oh, yeah, I’m going into the community and volunteering to work with kids in school, I’m always told: “Oh, thank you, thank you, we learned so much.” And I always say back to them: “You don’t understand. I learned from you. It’s a give and take. And if it isn’t a give and take, then somebody who’s not doing something right.”
“Growing up, becoming successful is a give and take. And if it isn’t a give and take then, somebody’s not doing something right.” -Arlene Gale Click To TweetCatherine Duffy: That’s right. Even with that, maybe that person isn’t ready.
Arlene Gale: Yeah.
Catherine Duffy: And you get more out of it at that point, right?
Arlene Gale: Well, that’s true.
Catherine Duffy: Until somebody is ready, there’s nothing you can do about that. But what you need to do is not take that on because it’s really none of your business, your business is what’s going on with you.
“Until someone’s ready, there’s nothing you can do about that. But what you need to do is not take that on because it’s really none of your business.”-Catherine Duffy Click To TweetArlene Gale: Well, I really loved the way you turn that around, and you taught me something. Yeah, because you’re absolutely right. Cause I think about what you just said, and when you go out and you mentor, and you work in your community, or even in a work environment, you do the best that you can to give back, and we may never know who we touch.
Catherine Duffy: Absolutely.
Arlene Gale: They’ll know, right now, I can think of, there’s a half a dozen teachers that I had when I was in school, I don’t know, a hundred and something years ago. I don’t remember their names, but I remember them on my heart, and I remember what they did to change my life.
Catherine Duffy: See, and you’re going to make me quote Meyer [inaudible], cause she’s one of my favorite people, right?
Arlene Gale: Me too.
Catherine Duffy: She says: “People may not remember what you said, but they always remember how you made them feel.”
Arlene Gale: Absolutely. Absolutely. So let’s talk a little bit about language, and how we use language from a scarcity mindset to more of a growth or abundance mindset. And this comes to mind because I have a 24 year old son and we just had this conversation about, well, I’m never going to be able to afford X, Y, Z car. It’s just never going to be possible. And he rolls his eyes when I say things like, well if that’s something you really want, then prioritize it and start saving for it. Because now instead of it’s not possible, you’ve moved it to, it is a dream of mine. So now how do we create a plan to make that happen? So what do you think of that to begin with? And then are there any other examples that come to mind for you?
Catherine Duffy: Well, also what you’re dealing with, because I’ve got a 20 year old son as well, and I think at that age, they are straddling between boy and man. And so as a result, they’re very insecure, and it’s easier for them to find excuses where they find themselves because they haven’t learned enough or grown enough. It’s not just males actually, I think is true for everyone at that age. Because I can remember when I was young, I definitely did not have the mindset that I do now. You acquire these things over time based on experiences and how people have made you feel, you shift yourself as you keep growing, right? So language is very, very important. And I find myself telling that to my children all the time. Positive affirmations go a long way. It sounds like Hocus Pocus. But if you tell yourself that I am worthy, I am capable, I know that things are going to work for me, it just does. But if you keep yourself in that mindset of, I can’t afford this, or I can’t do that, or I don’t have time for this, or I don’t have time for that, guess what? You want this going to happen. I used to say that I don’t have time to get to the gym. I don’t have time to meditate. I don’t have time to do this because I’m so busy. I try not to use the word busy anymore because I think that is an excuse as well, because everyone carries that around as if it’s a badge of honor to say that you’re so busy, what are you so busy doing? Being busy? We can always make time for what we want to do. Cause I now, like I said, I meditate twice a day. I workout at least three days a week.
Arlene Gale: Wow.
Catherine Duffy: And how do I fit all that in? Because I made time for it.
Arlene Gale: Right.
Catherine Duffy: I just stopped using, given myself that scarcity mentality of finding excuses for why I can’t do things.
Arlene Gale: Absolutely. And we’re all given the same 24 hours a day, seven days a week. So yeah, you have to prioritize and choose what it is that will move you in a direction that you want to go.
“Prioritize and choose what it is that will move you in a direction that you want to go.” -Arlene Gale Click To TweetCatherine Duffy: Yep.
Arlene Gale: So we’re getting ready to wrap this up, but I would like to put you on the spot for the moment and ask you, what is one golden nugget of wisdom that you can share, that people can take into this new year, and just either thinking, or the way they speak about themselves, and their goals, what would you like to share with them that might help them move towards that abundance and growth mindset?
Catherine Duffy: Don’t be too hard on yourself. Relax. Make time for stillness. Listen and observe. And the wonderful thing about nature, if you watch nature, it’s constantly changing. Dying off, replenishing, animals are the same, they never worry about what’s happening, they just are. Remain as present as possible, as grateful as possible. Share as much as you can, and life will give you back as much as you give it.
“Share as much as you can and life will give you back as much as you give it.” -Catherine Duffy Click To TweetArlene Gale: Wow, that’s a great nugget. So wrapping up with my guests, Catherine Duffy, thank you so much for your time here today. I hope that people will listen to your wisdom over and over again because practicing this abundance mindset and growth mindset will just make it easier and easier. Cause I’m thinking back in my life, 20 years ago, that if I had heard this, well, I probably did hear this along the way and just kind of went, that’s ridiculous, I’ll never be able to do that. But as I’ve practiced it and moved up in age, it does get easier and easier to focus on the positive and to count the blessings we have instead of those we don’t.
Catherine Duffy: Exactly. And it’s so funny, I just looked at my desk, right? And here’s what came up, and it says: “Nurture your mind with great thoughts, so you will never go any higher than you think. – Benjamin Disraeli -” Why did that just pop up? Interesting, right? Interesting.
Arlene Gale: Very interesting. Now I believe very strongly in divine intervention. So there you go. That’s great. So thank you again Catherine. I appreciate your time and your wisdom, and I hope that this new year, 2020, I know for you it will be a huge blessing. So again, you’ve been a blessing to me and to my listeners today, so thank you for your time.
Catherine Duffy: And thank you Arlene for this opportunity, and I wish you and all the listeners the best.
Arlene Gale: Thank you very much. So I’m going to leave everybody with this thought. ‘Do not let the world dictate your story. Be mindful of the stories that you tell yourself about what is or is not possible in your life. You get to choose to write your own story every single day.’